Watches - Tissot, are they fake??

Fake copies of Microsoft Office, operating systems, memory cards and flash drives, fake designer clothing... anything of that nature. At any given time TM offers thousands of fake itmes which breach their terms & conditions... and often do little about the problem. This is the place to discuss the issue.
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Re: Watches - Tissot, are they fake??

Post by magnum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:23 am

Received today (letter available below), we are moving forward with further action:

http://scambusters.co.nz/bits/watch-stamped-tissot.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please find attached a letter relating to the watch you brought in on the 9th July. This is the form provided by Tissot Switzerland but obviously you have your watch back now. Switzerland have confirmed that it is counterfeit.

We are following up with Tissot Switzerland. They try to identify and close down the sources of these counterfeits and they are concerned about their brand's reputation.

Kind regards
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New Zealand's Premier Distributor of Watches & Accessories
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Counterfeit (fake) Tissot Watches from www.watches4kiwis.co.

Post by magnum » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:42 am

As you will see Marcio Anguisaca also known as James Garden and James Gardner has chosen to join scambusters, Anguisaca could have refunded my money and apologised but has declined to do so until he receives the watch back. The watch is still in my possession and is likely to be used as an exhibit.

Do remember that I purchased the watch in good faith from Anguisaca via his website: http://www.watches4kiwis.co.nz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; on the understanding that he is a Tissot dealer or retailer, obviously this is not the case, he uses the Tissot branding and supporting Tissot marketing material that is also subject to international copyright and intellectual property law. Consumers would rightly believe they were purchasing a genuine swiss made Tissot watch, the website is grossly misleading to say the least.

I received the watch and believed it was not a genuine swiss made Tissot watch, having owned a Tissot watch previously, the differences in the quality of the watches were very, very obvious along with the packaging and false warranty provided by Anguisaca (not a Tissot International Warranty). I have now had the watch, box and warranty card examined by the actual Tissot distributors and importers in New Zealand (you will see this on the thread) and the results sent to Tissot International in Switzerland who confirmed that the watch purchased from Anguisaca is in face a counterfeit or fake.

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Post by nanito » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:13 pm

Hi there, It's good to know Tissot Switzerland is trying to identify and close down the sources for those watches.

Regards, James

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Counterfeit (fake) Tissot Watches - www.watches4kiwis.co.nz

Post by magnum » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:33 am

I believe "James" (Marcio) must mean the watch that he sold to me via his website: http://www.watches4kiwis.co.nz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; as it was his watch that I had examined by the New Zealand distributors and importers of Tissot!

As below:

As you will see Marcio Anguisaca also known as James Garden and James Gardner has chosen to join scambusters, Anguisaca could have refunded my money and apologised but has declined to do so until he receives the watch back. The watch is still in my possession and is likely to be used as an exhibit.

Do remember that I purchased the watch in good faith from Anguisaca via his website: http://www.watches4kiwis.co.nz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; on the understanding that he is a Tissot dealer or retailer, obviously this is not the case, he uses the Tissot branding and supporting Tissot marketing material that is also subject to international copywright and intellectual property law. Consumers would rightly beleive they were purchasing a genuine swiss made Tissot watch, the website is grossly misleading.

I received the watch and believed it was not a genuine swiss made Tissot watch, having owned a Tissot watch previously, the differences in the quality of the watches were obvious along with the warranty provided by Anguisaca (not valid and not a Tissot International Warranty). I have now had the watch examined by the actual Tissot distributors and importers in New Zealand (you will see this on the thread) and the results sent to Tissot International in Switzerland who have confirmed that the watch purchased from Anguisaca is counterfeit or fake.magnum
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Re: FAKE TISSOT SWISS MADE WATCHES - NEW ZEALAND

Post by magnum » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:38 am

nanito wrote:
magnum wrote:nanito the Trade Me Seller (or now former Trade Me seller) is Mr. Marcio Anguisaca also known as James Garden and James Gardner of Marcio Hairdressers, Unit 17, 212 Antigua Street in Christchurch (email: JamesGarden@watch4Kiwis.co.nz). Trading as: watches4kiwis


Received today (letter available below), we are moving forward with further action:

http://scambusters.co.nz/bits/watch-stamped-tissot.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please find attached a letter relating to the watch you brought in on the 9th July. This is the form provided by Tissot Switzerland but obviously you have your watch back now. Switzerland have confirmed that it is counterfeit.

We are following up with Tissot Switzerland. They try to identify and close down the sources of these counterfeits and they are concerned about their brand's reputation.

Kind regards
Alistair Saywell
Service Manager
Griffiths McKay & Buckleigh
New Zealand's Premier Distributor of Watches & Accessories
20 Pretoria Street
Lower Hutt 5010
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Ph: +64 (0)4 566 3788
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Re: Watches - Tissot, are they fake??

Post by magnum » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:56 am

The New Zealand Distributor of Tissot did NOT confirm your watches are fitted with the original Swiss Tissot made movements, I could post their actual email if you wish? It does state that some counterfeit (fake) watches have a swiss mechanism/movement but it is not a Tissot.

Marcio, do the right thing by consumers, remove any reference to Tissot and swiss made on your website. It's grossly misleading...

We confirmed that watches4kiwis.co.nz and Marcio/James are NOT authorised resellers or distributors of genuine SWISS MADE TISSOT watches in New Zealand, they are NOT in anyway connected with Tissot International (more to come, including several emails now received from past purchasers of counterfeit Tissot watches who believed they were also purchasing a genuine swiss made Tissot watch):

Here is what the New Zealand distributors and importers of Tissot watches in New Zealand had to say, follow this link:

http://scambusters.co.nz/bits/watch-stamped-tissot.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please find attached a letter relating to the watch you brought in on the 9th July. This is the form provided by Tissot Switzerland but obviously you have your watch back now. Switzerland have confirmed that it is counterfeit.

We are following up with Tissot Switzerland. They try to identify and close down the sources of these counterfeits and they are concerned about their brand's reputation.

Kind regards
Alistair Saywell
Service Manager
Griffiths McKay & Buckleigh
New Zealand's Premier Distributor of Watches & Accessories
20 Pretoria Street
Lower Hutt 5010
New Zealand
Ph: +64 (0)4 566 3788
Fax: +64 (0)4 566 2838

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Article - Fake Tissot Watches in New Zealand

Post by magnum » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:12 am

Good reading on this topic in the New Zealand Herald (from Peter Buckleigh, Managing Director of GMB Watches who organised the examination and follow up with Tissot International on the watch purchased from http://www.watches4kiwis.co.nz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;):

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=10671029" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Watches - Tissot, are they fake??

Post by magnum » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:14 am

and another:

http://www.timekeeper.co.nz/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=671" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Watches - Tissot, are they fake??

Post by magnum » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:17 am

Tempus wrote:The policy from the official Tissot distributors is,if the guarantee is not stamped by an AUTHORISED,RECOGNISED,Tissot retailer,it can be assumed to be a fake. They will not cover the guarantee on any of these dodgy watches. The movements are real enough,they are obtainable as a spare part,but it seems that they are being made by underworld types with false cases,dials etc,as well as fake packaging and documentation. After all if they can be sold here at less than the importers landed cost then they can hardly be genuine,even if they provide no backup,pay no GST/Duty,have no warranty/parts etc. So it is a case of buyer beware,if you want to support the organised crime groups that make these,and the smugglers who distribute them go ahead,the watch may go well,but if not no-one will want to know about it.
Thats correct, Tissot International have confirmed they will not accept any warranty claims from http://www.watches4kiwis.co.nz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Watches - Tissot, are they fake??

Post by magnum » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:18 am

bikeworld wrote:I have noticed there is a seller selling a number of tissot watches mostly the prc 200 series at a very reduced price. below is a sample link

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Jewellery-watc ... 833981.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

the seller is nanito and i was wondering if anyone had bought from him before, are the watches genuine?? i have asked some questions on his sales about the watch serial number and the warranty and purchase certificates but still waiting an answer. They seem pretty expensive for a fake consideing the prc can sell for 750-850 in an authorised dealer (not the $1095 that he mentions).

let me know if you have come across this dealer before

Please refer below:


The Neill Group - Licensed Private Investigators are currently investigating the activities of http://www.watches4kiwis.co.nz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Neill Group have specialised in theft and fraud investigations for over 25 years.

This website claims to sell genuine swiss made Tissot watches, inquiries have confirmed the Tissot watches featured on this website are not original swiss made Tissot watches. This online business is operated by Marcio Anguisaca also known as James Garden trading as Marcio Hairdressers, Unit 17, 212 Antigua Street in Christchurch (email: JamesGarden@watch4Kiwis.co.nz)

The Neill Group would welcome correspondence from any person who has purchased Tissot watches from this website and have confirmed they are not genuine. The Neill Group has lodged a complaint to the Commerce Commission, please email: info@neillgroup.com or visit: http://www.neillgroup.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Complaint #2 (Ryan) states:

I bought the watch from James after asking whether I could send it back if I didnt think it was genuine to which he agreed. I received the watch and examined it closely comparing it to all the information online with fake PRC200 watches. The watch itself looked pretty good apart from some of the luminous markers not being put on straight (mainly at 6 o’clock) and the luminous markers not lining up perfectly with the tachymeter numbers. The most obvious flaw was with the box it came in. The white stripes down the side were not even or straight and there was excess glue in the area.

I emailed James back saying I thought it was fake and was there a possibility of swapping it for another one, but he just quickly emailed back and said to send the watch back for a refund (I think he new they were fake). I then had to argue to get the full amount refunded from him, I cant quite remember why, maybe was something to do with shipping costs?

I ended up buying a PRC200 from spws_limited on trademe and am very happy with it. The watch originally came from Singapore, it had the warranty card stamped by a place over there but obviously there is no warranty on it here not being from a genuine tissot dealer. I think these cheaper watches are from what they call the grey market – ie: genuine watches but not covered by any warranty from Tissot. There is pages and pages of information online about the model watch and all the copies.

From memory when I bought the watches, the one from James was about $475 and the one from spws_limited was about $550. At that time they were $800 at the Tissot dealers like Pascoes jewellers"

Original email with details available on request.

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Re: Watches - Tissot, are they fake??

Post by marika3 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:41 am

Could you guys please refrain from posting the same info over and over again?
It's very hard to read when two pages of the thread are filled with duplicated posts.
We are not that thick here, can easily understand your opinion from one post, no need to repeat. :grin:

Thank you.
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Re: Watches - Tissot, are they fake??

Post by nanito » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:55 am

Hi there, Many thanks to public for the overwhelm respond and support much appreciate

Regards, James

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Re: Watches - Tissot, are they fake??

Post by digidog » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:06 am

nanito wrote:Hi there, Many thanks to public for the overwhelm respond and support much appreciate
Hi James. I'm not sure where you get the impression that you have overwhelming public support. At this stage not a single
person has stepped forward to support you, there's the qualified evidence from GMB Watch that the watch you sold to Dion
is a fake, you are being investigated by Tissot head office and TradeMe have closed your account. I don't see that you can
claim any support at all for your position and if I was you I'd be talking to a lawyer immediately and possibly closing down
your web site.

Note: I've deleted most of the duplicated posts - please stick to the subject without so much repetition people. Thanks.

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Fake Tissot Watches from www.watches4kiwis.co.nz

Post by magnum » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:35 am

Proven to be counterfeit by Tissot International, and it's only just started

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Re: Watches - Tissot, are they fake??

Post by magnum » Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:46 am

digidog wrote:Hi Dion. I hope your posts produce some victims and note that this guy's TradeMe account has been closed since your
posts last night. All the best!

Thank you for your support! Yes, I can confirm that we are now in receipt of several emails from former customers who have purchased counterfeit watches from this individual (their watches have also now been examined).

The commerce commission has accepted my complaint and I am speaking with the police in relation to this matter. I followed up with Tissot International who I understand are instructing their New Zealand legal representatives.

I did give Marcio my assurance that I would carry out further inquiries to prove the watch was not a genuine Tissot made swiss watch and that I would inform the interested parties. It would have been easier if he had apologised and did the right thing by refunding my money. In our business, we have dealt with many like him and will continue to do so, it's what we do, maybe he should have considered that?

There's more than one way to skin a cat!

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