4tradeit.co.nz Takes on Trade Me

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4tradeit.co.nz Takes on Trade Me

Post by ionet » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:07 am

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industr ... the-making

New Kiwi auction site 4tradeit takes on Trade Me after 12 years in the making


A website developer's 12-year labour of love has just gone live and is taking on Trade Me.

Tim van Ameringen has spent more than 40,000 hours developing 4tradeit.co.nz, a new low-cost auction and classified website, from his Dairy Flat man cave in North Auckland.

"If I knew what I was getting into when I started I probably wouldn't have done it. It's a very complicated piece of software," he says.

"There were days when I thought I'd never get there," he says.

But it has also meant he's kept costs down to hundreds of thousands rather than tens of millions like failed auction sites Wheedle and Sella.

This means big wins for users, as most will use the website for free.

It's free to sign up, free to list products with one photo, and there is no selling fee.

Businesses can also set up online shops and list for free and auctions last 90 days, compared to 14 on Trade Me.

more at Link


It even seems to have attracted in Brooke McKenzie from the failed ' Webitzer' in with a Car Dealer listing:


http://www.4tradeit.co.nz/category/806/ ... PIRIT.html


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Post by EzyAuctioNZ » Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:30 am

I read somewhere that someone found "off the shelf" auction site code within its pages... kind of discredits the "built it himself" aspect, as well as other issues such as the guy supposedly being a bankrupt owing $10M.

I am pretty sure I am still the ONLY auction site creator that built the site themselves, line by line in code, not just some purchased software.
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Post by digidog » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:26 pm

EzyAuctioNZ wrote:...the guy supposedly being a bankrupt owing $10M.
There's evidence of that claim at this link.
Balmoral, led by Tim van Ameringen had debts of more than $10m.
The 2005 liquidator's final report (PDF) is pretty basic.
No funds were recovered for the benefit of creditors.
Foggyone is the expert on out-of-the-box auction software so I'll leave that analysis to him.

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Post by marika3 » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:04 am

EzyAuctioNZ wrote: I am pretty sure I am still the ONLY auction site creator that built the site themselves, line by line in code, not just some purchased software.
Sorry, Scott, but oneway.co.nz built from scratch and long ago, and still running. :)
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Post by EzyAuctioNZ » Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:48 am

But was it built by a team of developers or just one person ?
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Post by marika3 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:21 am

EzyAuctioNZ wrote:But was it built by a team of developers or just one person ?
Just one person - Brett Waterson.
He also built qwerk.co.nz and klickex.com, Turners Auctions software and some other projects.
Good guy, but lacks marketing skills :)
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Post by timvanam » Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:36 pm

Balmoral Marketing Ltd/Karapiro spa
The Te Whare Kariki Charitable Trust (now named the Wings of Hope Trust) purchased 2 chalets in the original Karapiro Spa development as an investment. The annual return for the investment was advertised as 10%.
When the developer (Henry Holt) went into receivership, Fiona and I were asked by three other investors who had lost their investment to join together and purchase the project from the receivers. Fiona and I agreed to do so, the purchase was made using a new company named Balmoral Marketing Ltd, and Fiona and I became a minority shareholder of this company. Two of the shareholders with a majority shareholding took control of the project. I was hospitalised with pericarditis (a stress related heart issue), and had no personal involvement in the project (we were shut out by secretive majority shareholders).
Approximately two years into the project, the project ran into financial difficulty and the two majority shareholders suggested I take on a Director role in Balmoral Marketing Ltd. I naively agreed to do so on the basis that all activities undertaken by the company would be transparent and best practice. Balmoral Marketing Ltd entered into a funding agreement with Prudential (a Christchurch based finance company) by way of a contributory mortgage for approximately $16.6m; this would have provided sufficient funds to complete the project. Prudential was successful in raising approximately $16.3m. However, due to the legislatively binding timeframe permitted for this type of funding facility to be filled, the end goal of $16.6m was not achieved. Without these funds, Balmoral Marketing Ltd was left with no option but to enter into voluntary receivership. This was one of the most difficult situations I have personally been involved in, knowing the lives that would be affected. Subsequently, Balmoral Marketing Ltd was liquidated, the two majority shareholders were both sentenced to jail for 6 years for their own personal financial dealings, I was absolved from any wrong doing by the liquidator (KPMG), and Fiona and I have since lived a quiet life, with a focus on our family and the building of 4tradeit.

Wings of Hope Trust
I originally set up the Wings of Hope Trust (formerly named The Te Whare Kariki Charitable Trust) for a Therapeutic boating project to help people with disabilities and mental ill health in the Auckland/Waitemata region. My background for 14 years was as the managing director of one of the early community mental health services in the Mt Eden, Auckland. Fiona is an occupational therapist who has a passion for helping people with disabilities. The ASB agreed to fund 50% of the Therapeutic Boat project if the Trust could raise the balance. The Trust was unable to raise the required balance for this project to proceed. The Trust has purchased 45% of the 4tradeit Ltd shares, to be the vehicle for distribution of funds to NZ charities (as generated by the 4tradeit website). Independent Trustees will be added to the Trust when the Trust has a level of funds to distribute. Until this is achieved, there is little incentive for an independent Trustee(s) to invest their time in the Trust.

4tradeit
After reading the posts in this blog, I am a bit embarrassed to confirm that I have spent almost 13 years, and committed the amount of hours discussed … often working 12 to 16 hour days, 6-7 days per week (as hard as this may seem to believe) on the 4tradeit project. Fiona, my children and close friends can vouch for this.
When I started the 4tradeit project, I was 41 and the extent of my computer knowledge was how to use the basics of Microsoft word and excel. I am self-taught, without the benefit of colleagues to collaborate and bounce ideas off, and started without basic understanding of any coding language or of how to make or work with graphics. The original idea I had was to create an internet based search tool, to locate hard drive parts from around the world for an IT company I was a part owner in (Digital Recovery Ltd), hence the name ‘4 trade IT’. When we sold Digital Recovery Ltd, the idea changed to creating a trading website that could be used to raise money for local kiwi charities.
The core 4tradeit software is by a company called Geodesic Solutions. This company (over the last 13 years) has perfected the basic functionality coding required for an online auction to run smoothly. However, aside from the auction functionality, much of the other Geodesic software functionality is boutique and basic in nature. Together with the help of three other programmers, I have built a new ‘Items selling’ addon module called MyStuff. This module alone has taken two years to perfect, and still has some issues we are working on to get the module fully functional as I had envisaged it to work. The software has over 15 such addon modules that we have built.
Most of the issues raised in this blog we have fixed, including a change to new dedicated servers that now cost 20 times the annual cost of the old servers. The website is currently running well with few reported issues, and around 2700 members are enjoying using the website.
Wheedle reportedly had 17 programmers and went through $18m before they closed down their trading website. I have so far spent $120,000 and my own sweat on 4tradeit, and we have lived on little personal income over the last 13 years. Building 4tradeit has many times felt like a long, fruitless journey, often a foolhardy one, and many time I have wanted to quit (maybe I should have … who knows). Anyway, here we are ….

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