Amanda High from Reverse Funnel

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Post by Foggyone » Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:54 pm

Kiwibloke84 wrote:After doing research into this business, and the 'scam busters' website
Joined 15/6/08

Researched the site within one day

Replied only to this thread just after midnight on 16/6/08

Do I think he is associated with Amanda? Let's just say it's odd, and oddly similar to "support" posts other scammers have received. There are outstanding questions for Amanda to answer that could lay this matter to rest. Why, oh why, are they not answered?
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Post by NZ Websites » Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:24 pm

kiwibloke84 wrote:After doing research into this business...
kiwibloke84 wrote:....this is more than likely the cause of misunderstanding.
kiwibloke84 wrote:I does definitley appear to be a legal, legitimate and ethical business.
kiwibloke84 wrote:....the business ventures of hard working individuals such as Amanda
kiwibloke84 wrote:....give her full credit for doing something to better herself
Well, my friend, you are in a class of one!

She has been found out attempting to run a pyramid scheme, something that is illegal in NZ.

Amanda's up-line has been outed by trusted organisations as being nothing less than a scam.

To top it off she uses many aliases to hide her activities, and has used "Job ads" to disguise the true nature of her business.
kiwibloke84 wrote:.While I do not know Amanda.....
I believe this is what we call a "Tui's" moment.
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Post by digidog » Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:36 pm

We do attract some rather strange people sometimes, Foggyone. Some of
them also come from Christchurch, choose to use throwaway hotmail
addresses and post after midnight. A Google search reveals exactly the
same type of behaviour whenever the RFS is threatened in public forums.

I've asked Amanda a couple of straight questions which she has so far
been unable or unwilling to answer. Sending in other members of her
"team" to muddy the waters does not cut the mustard, if I may be
permitted to mix my metaphors.

To reiterate my questions:
digidog wrote:So new punters pay you up to three thousand dollars to sign up. Can I ask
you honestly how much of that money to you get to keep? And how much
goes to Ty and/or others above you?

And how many discounted holidays have you yourself sold directly to New
Zealanders? Or does your business mainly involve selling the RFS to others?

I think Amanda is verbose enough to answer these questions herself.

Until then I'd have to conclude that the Reverse Tunnel Scheme is a
scam... a pyramid scheme that is unsustainable beyond three or four
levels.

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Post by kiwibloke84 » Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:13 am

I can not help but laugh at some of the pathetic notions that are thrown around on this website, You say that Amanda has been found out to be involved in a pyrimad scam, which yes is illegal in New Zealand. Well if this is the case why has she not been shut down and fined as would be the commerce comissions normal course of action?
With regards to how legitimate I am you can make up your own minds as from what i have seen on this website you are rather 'firm minded' individuals. With regards to some accusations, being a member of trade me I tend to read this site occasionally, I never have felt the need to join or reply to a thread before, hence the response straight after I joined, great detective work guys... and if you want to call my hotmail address that has been active since, 2001 a throw away account so be it. Once again some wild accusations that have no basis, sounds familiar. I can guarantee you that I am not associated with Amanda or her business, I run a property invetsment and development business and have interests in the hospitality industry, being my backround this is why I am up after midnight. While we are throwing around silly ideas originating from Trademe, I suggest that maybe you reread your history on your website.. You also were not wanted on Trademe and have set up a site seperate from that using their name and reputaion, sounds very similar to a scam in the sense of using their intelectual property for your on personal gain, I know what I'd be doing if I were in Trademes shoes, but fortunatley my business doesn't have what I'm sure you would understand as 'clingons'.

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Post by digidog » Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:49 am

Let's see. You signed up to these forums and within a couple of hours you
felt inspired to post, but only in a single thread defending Amanda and
her dodgy pyramid scheme. Yeah, right!
kiwibloke84 wrote: ... being a member of trade me I tend to read this site occasionally, I
never have felt the need to join or reply to a thread before...
That's interesting. Until two weeks ago you wouldn't have been able to
read these forums without being a member. Unless you have another ID?
kiwibloke84 wrote: You also were not wanted on Trademe and have set up a site seperate from
that using their name and reputaion, sounds very similar to a scam in the
sense of using their intelectual property for your on personal gain
Sorry? Are you saying we're trying to pass ourselves off as TradeMe? That
has to be some sort of joke, surely? And what "personal gain" do you
imagine any of us make in operating these forums? Please think before
posting in future.
kiwibloke84 wrote: I know what I'd be doing if I were in Trademes shoes, but fortunatley my
business doesn't have what I'm sure you would understand as 'clingons'.
And we're lucky that these forums don't usually attract sycophants.

Thanks for your input.

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Post by digidog » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:04 am

Here's some more reading on the reverse funnel system scam.

http://www.stevegigl.com/index.php?id=2171
This includes a reference to the way Ty's follower's Googlebomb the search
results.

http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 118AAQJpKO

http://www.onlineprofitscoach.com/blog/ ... s-network/
Includes a review from someone who has paid their $50 to join then
learned it was a $3,000 scam.
highimpact wrote:I will check into this. I am sure there is a simple answer.
Thanks for your feedback.
That was 3rd June and still no word from Amanda yet? Isn't that strange.

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Post by highimpact » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:23 am

For those of you asking why I have not posted in awhile. I have been in the process of moving from CHCH to Wellington. Plus I actually have been so busy that this has def. been the last thing I need to put my energy into.

I firstly want to thank the members on here who are being mature in their replies and comments instead of making irrational statements.

It will never matter what I say or write as some of you will still pick holes in anything I do so those of you reading the ridiculous comments I have received I hope that you see through the bull and actually understand I am a real person and if you want to question my integrity feel free to call me direct at (04) 9722111 or 0210493346.

I sat here today with one of my best friends and showed them the forum. They were shocked at the level of rudeness some people have put into this forum towards me.

In reply to the below questions..sorry for the delay:

new punters pay you up to three thousand dollars to sign up. Can I ask
you honestly how much of that money to you get to keep? And how much
goes to Ty and/or others above you?


I get to keep $1,000, $1,000 goes to my team leader and $1,000 goes to GRN which is the product company. So $2,000 is paid in commissions. Good in NZ dollars at the moment. Works out about $1,500 :-)

And how many discounted holidays have you yourself sold directly to New
Zealanders? Or does your business mainly involve selling the RFS to others?


I havent been focused on selling the product so much as the opportunity but I have been in contact with a few companies who sell timeshares who are showing interest. I wil pay them a commission if they sell a membership.

Thanks again.

Amanda :-) Have a great weekend.

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me again

Post by highimpact » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:20 am

i have not been receiving emails saying new posts have been made which is strange cause I opted in to get them, another reson I have not been able to reply.

With regard to the $50. I have said this once already on an earlier post but it is fully refundable if people ask for it back as stated as people go through the process. I let every person know who comes through me that if they pay it, don't think it's for them, then all they have to do is ask me for a refund of the $50 which takes me the click of a button in my back end system. They have nothing to lose!!!!!!

I contact every person who pays $50 personally.

If other RFS members do business unethically I am not responsible for this and it should in no way reflect on my own business.

Thanks.

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not a pyramid

Post by highimpact » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:31 am

oh, and for the people who say this is a pyramid scheme where all the money goes to the top. Check out the compensation programme!!!

Everyone gets the same amount of $1,000. I can earn more than my upline easily. Most other scams only pay the guy at the bottom a small amount while the people at the top get higher percentages. In RFS everyone who gets a commission of the same amount of $1,000. Only $2,000 per sale is paid out per sale and only goes to 2 people so those saying Ty is taking all the money are misguided.

To see the compensation programme feel free to visit this link:

http://www.globalresortsnetwork.net/fla ... ayplan.swf

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new addition

Post by highimpact » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:38 am

Update: GRN are now paying the first sale as $500 for new members, which means the upline loses $500 on their new members first sale but it helps new people starting out. GRN has been around for 21 years doing this exact programme. You dont hear people slagging off GRN for offering the opportunity to sell the membership if you have bought the membership yourself.

Also you are actually getting something for your money!! Other programmes make you pay start up fees and you get nothing usually. I have tried other home businesses, paid money, got no support and failed.

At least Ty got a great product and made sure that when we join this business we get something we can use. This product im my opinion is better than any timeshare or other programme out there.

Ciao for now. Amanda

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Post by NZ Websites » Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:30 am

highimpact wrote:A.
I get to keep $1,000, $1,000 goes to my team leader and $1,000 goes to GRN which is the product company. So $2,000 is paid in commissions. Good in NZ dollars at the moment. Works out about $1,500 :-)
highimpact wrote:
I havent been focused on selling the product so much as the opportunity but I have been in contact with a few companies who sell timeshares who are showing interest. I wil pay them a commission if they sell a membership.


So, Amanda.

According to your first post in this thread dated: Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: Amanda High from Reverse Funnel

I have been in the business now for 5-6 months making between 1k-7k a week since the day I joined.


The company whose product we sell is a premium lifetime membership in discounted accomodation at over 30,000 worldwide 4 and 5 star resorts ranging between $298 and $799 for 8 days accomodation for up to 4 people. When people buy into this product they are then able to refer others to purchase this amazing package and they make commission for doing this.


And yet from your own figures you have now been involved in RFS for almost 12 months, and today you admit you have never sold one $ of "product" (ostensibly accommodation).

All your "sales" are commission for signing up new members.

And you say this is NOT about the simple creation of wealth though new members joining your downline?

Your credibility is at an all time low Amanda, I'd advise you to say nothing rather than digging a bigger hole for yourself.
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Amanda Is Confused!!

Post by Foggyone » Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:52 pm

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Re: No probs

Post by digidog » Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:25 pm

highimpact on [color=red]June 2nd 2008[/color] wrote:I will check into this. I am sure there is a simple answer.
highimpact - [color=red]14 November 2008[/color] wrote:For those of you asking why I have not posted in a while...
Amanda. While you've just confirmed that RFS is a pyramid scheme, you're
arguing that's somehow O'K because it's the BEST pyramid scheme to be
involved with? Sorry, but as you may have gathered by now, that goes
against some very basic principles that most of the subscribers to this site
adhere to. You're preaching to the unconverted.

Thanks for your frank admission of where the money goes and the fact
that you haven't sold ANY product at all. That is the method by which
pyramid schemes work and I appreciate the naivety of your revelation.
"A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the
exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme,
without any product or service being delivered."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme
You claim to be enrolling between one and seven suckers (my word)
every week. The old saying, "A fool and his money are soon parted"
seems very apt. That's why these schemes are illegal in NZ and in most
other countries. The Ministry of Consumer Affairs says:
Pyramid selling schemes prohibited
Pyramid selling schemes are prohibited under the Fair Trading Act. The
Act is enforced by the Commerce Commission. If you have been
approached to join a scheme, which you suspect may be pyramid selling,
we suggest you inform the Commerce Commission.

Individuals and corporations can be fined up to $200,000 for promoting,
or operating a pyramid scheme. Offenders can also be required to pay an
extra penalty based on the amount they have gained commercially from
their involvement in the scheme.

http://www.consumeraffairs.govt.nz/scam ... ramid.html
Making money by whatever means is one of the defining characteristics
of people who promote these schemes. But if you have any form of moral
fibre Amanda, stand back and take a look at the RFS for what it is.

The Reverse Funnel System is a pyramid scheme.

NOTE
Anyone being offered a place in the RFS or similar pyramid schemes
should file a complaint with the Commerce Commission:

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/Inquiries/contactus.aspx

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Great product eh

Post by NZ Websites » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:57 pm

highimpact wrote:Update: At least Ty got a great product and made sure that when we join this business we get something we can use. This product im my opinion is better than any timeshare or other programme out there.
That would explain why you have not sold, or (presumably purchased, with the thousands you claim to be earning), one cent of this "great product" which is "better than any timeshare"?

So if you aren't personally interested in the "product" there can only be one other source of income, which is your commison you "earn" from these victims.

It just gets worse Amanda!
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Post by served » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:44 pm

haha you have got to love the disclaimer

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